BREAKING: Successful actress Meghan Markle to wed former soldier
November 27, 2017 1:17 PM   Subscribe

"Outside of her day job, Markle is involved in a number of humanitarian projects. She has worked as a United Nations ambassador, visiting Rwanda and India, and written a powerful essay on combating the stigma surrounding menstruation. Windsor is a 33-year-old former soldier, having served in Helmand, Afghanistan with the Army Air Corps. He is currently unemployed but does charity work."
posted by a fiendish thingy (96 comments total) 44 users marked this as a favorite
 


Well for once it's not the American divorcee with the dodgy Nazi stuff in her background.
posted by Artw at 1:21 PM on November 27 [41 favorites]




I am vicariously enjoying this through the gleeful twitter eyes of Nicole Cliffe and Bim Adewunmi.
posted by ChuraChura at 1:28 PM on November 27 [14 favorites]


Outstanding use of the "corgis" tag.
posted by merriment at 1:29 PM on November 27 [25 favorites]


Many claps!
posted by slipthought at 1:30 PM on November 27


I am enjoying the heck out of this as a respite from the "real" news, I don't care how stage-managed it is, I like to see happy people.

Also, Markle is apparently a Remainer.

(Also, I need someone to write a comedy skit about Meghan Markle and Angela Merkel where they're being introduced and it's like, "Markle? Merkel. Merkel? Markle." because my typo-prone fingers are already ON IT.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 1:30 PM on November 27 [44 favorites]


lucky guy! she looks like quite a catch :)
posted by supermedusa at 1:31 PM on November 27 [1 favorite]


Looking forward to all the hats.
posted by bondcliff at 1:32 PM on November 27 [22 favorites]


I heard the story on the radio; I had no idea who Meghan Markle was but noticed they used a very American euphemism about her being both American and "new blood" and though "why are they talking about her like she's Black?" Sure enough, she's biracial but NPR couldn't get past talking in euphemisms.
posted by peeedro at 1:35 PM on November 27 [16 favorites]


Don’t underestimate the symbolism of a royal marriage. From now on, it will be impossible to argue that being black is somehow incompatible with being British.

Normally i could give a shit about royal nonsense, but thanks to the Daily Mail freakout I'll be hanging up the bunting for this one.
posted by Artw at 1:35 PM on November 27 [35 favorites]


Little early to call, but how much will it eat away at Trump if Obama and not Trump is invited to what - for better or worse - will likely be covered by the media in the US as the social event of 2018. Trump will be able to explain it away due to "security concerns"...but it will still hurt....
posted by inflatablekiwi at 1:42 PM on November 27 [42 favorites]


thanks to the Daily Mail freakout I'll be hanging up the bunting for this one

Does anyone make bunting which includes the EU flag, the rainbow flag, and George Soros' family crest?
posted by acb at 1:46 PM on November 27 [14 favorites]


On a tangent: if, after they're married, The Firm (the opaque institution that runs the lives of the Royal Family) make arrangements to ensure that any children they have are born in the US, things get potentially much more interesting, as theoretically she could have produce a heir who could be both in line for the throne and eligible for the US Presidency. The House of Windsor may be playing the long game here.
posted by acb at 1:52 PM on November 27 [106 favorites]


Little early to call, but how much will it eat away at Trump if Obama and not Trump is invited to what - for better or worse - will likely be covered by the media in the US as the social event of 2018.

it is difficult to describe the rush of ecstatic glee i feel at this prospect without the use of distasteful terms like "spitegasm".
posted by poffin boffin at 1:57 PM on November 27 [63 favorites]


This reminds me I still have to watch season 6 and 7 of Suits.
posted by Pendragon at 1:57 PM on November 27


I am vicariously enjoying this through the gleeful twitter eyes of Nicole Cliffe and Bim Adewunmi.

Yes yes and Samantha Powell and Jasmine Guillory. I know almost nothing about these things but I'm now convinced she'll wear Stella McCartney (whose MOM is American, get it??), teary at her TV husband's sweet statement, and hoping that Serena Williams will attend the wedding.
posted by acidic at 1:57 PM on November 27


Don’t underestimate the symbolism of a royal marriage. From now on, it will be impossible to argue that being black is somehow incompatible with being British.

Prince Harry is black too. He has Ethiopian royals in his ancestry.

One drop rule & all...
posted by ocschwar at 1:59 PM on November 27 [4 favorites]




I'm not a fan of the Monarchy and yet I love the history behind their family. I mean I love watching The Crown and I'm excited for Season 2. And I love learning about things like the history behind a Royal wedding cake. Oh no, am I not-so-secretly a Monarchist? Oh dear...
posted by Fizz at 2:13 PM on November 27 [3 favorites]


I know the jokes are going to be done to death, but there is a royal precedent for appearing to support Nazis and marrying American divorcees.
posted by Hactar at 2:24 PM on November 27 [3 favorites]


Meghan Markle: I'm More Than An 'Other'
Suits star Meghan Markle on creating her identity and finding her voice as a mixed race woman.
posted by roger ackroyd at 2:27 PM on November 27 [5 favorites]


One drop rule & all...

So, how would a Southern US racist feel about the fact that the royals ultimately claim descent from Woden? Does one drop of pagan-All-Father make him divine? Royalty and racism are sooo confusing...
posted by stanf at 2:28 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


In the same spirit, from a few years back:

World famous human rights lawyer marries star of Spy Kids 3-D: Game Over

Amal Alamuddin, a trilingual internationally-feted human rights lawyer who was previously an adviser to former UN secretary general Kofi Annan, has married an actor.

The 36-year-old Lebanese-born Briton, who also speaks Arabic and French, tied the knot with the actor George Clooney, who played the lead role in multiple Razzie Award-nominated Batman & Robin, in Venice yesterday.
posted by krisjohn at 2:29 PM on November 27 [13 favorites]


I know the jokes are going to be done to death, but there is a royal precedent for appearing to support Nazis and marrying American divorcees.

I guess it must be the American part that is the actual stare decisis for the privy council because between Phillip and Charles we have an almost Edward VIII.
posted by Talez at 2:33 PM on November 27


I need someone to write a comedy skit about Meghan Markle and Angela Merkel where they're being introduced

I can think of at least half the casting for that sketch...
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:34 PM on November 27 [1 favorite]


I believe they are very much in love, but I also feel like a British royal announcing his engagement to an American in 2017 is a sign that the rest of the world might let us come back to the big kids table if we ever figure our current shit out.

Also, Meghan Markle's father with the Director of Photography for Married...With Children for 8 seasons, so now the world gets a princess who grew up around Married...With Children and I'm just so happy about that I can't stop smiling.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 2:34 PM on November 27 [15 favorites]


Aw, I'm happy for them both. She seems very smart and a good fit for that role, and Harry's been through some rough times (and yes made awful tone-deaf white-bro-mistakes over a decade ago) and seems to have come out of it all with a good head on his shoulders thanks to a touch of therapy.

(I love royal weddings!)
posted by kimberussell at 2:35 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


Congratulations to a fellow Northwestern theater alum! Go Cats!
posted by dnash at 2:37 PM on November 27 [9 favorites]


I hope she meets the self sufficiency requirement. The Home Office are a bit keen on immigrant spouses atm.
posted by vbfg at 2:42 PM on November 27 [16 favorites]


Prince Harry is allowed to bring his foreign spouse to the UK – unlike over a third of British people. I'm genuinely curious what visa she will enter the UK on (and whether they'll have to shell out thousands of £££ in fees like ordinary Brits with foreign spouses do).
posted by plep at 2:44 PM on November 27 [19 favorites]


theoretically she could have produce a heir who could be both in line for the throne and eligible for the US Presidency.

I would binge-watch this Netflix series so hard.
posted by dnash at 2:48 PM on November 27 [41 favorites]


WOOHOO ROYAL WEDDING I'll be taking a vacation day so I can watch the whole thing uninterrupted. Will try and convince Mom to come to town and watch with me; we watched the last one together so it's tradition!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 2:53 PM on November 27 [3 favorites]


On a tangent: if, after they're married, The Firm (the opaque institution that runs the lives of the Royal Family) make arrangements to ensure that any children they have are born in the US, things get potentially much more interesting, as theoretically she could have produce a heir who could be both in line for the throne and eligible for the US Presidency...

Funny you should mention that: US law specifically holds that "children of foreign sovereigns" are exempt from birthright citizenship even if born on U.S. soil. Example: Bhumibol Adulyadej, a/k/a King Rama IX of Thailand, was born in Cambridge, MA, but was never a US citizen nor eligible to be president.
posted by Joey Buttafoucault at 2:53 PM on November 27 [58 favorites]


I'm genuinely curious what visa she will enter the UK on (and whether they'll have to shell out thousands of £££ in fees like ordinary Brits with foreign spouses do).

In theory she could be created a UK citizen by letters patent but more likely she will probably be made a citizen of the UK by act of parliament shortly before the wedding.
posted by Talez at 2:55 PM on November 27


In theory she could be created a UK citizen by letters patent but more likely she will probably be made a citizen of the UK by act of parliament shortly before the wedding.

Will she have to relinquish her US citizenship, as the Australian who married into the Danish royal family had to her Australian citizenship?
posted by acb at 2:58 PM on November 27


The House of Windsor may be playing the long game here.

Long Game of the Windsor Throne

The title probably needs work, but I'd watch it on Netflix.

(on preview: great minds, dnash, great minds...)
posted by randomkeystrike at 3:00 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


US law specifically holds that "children of foreign sovereigns" are exempt from birthright citizenship even if born on U.S. soil.

Interesting. More on that in this article: Great Fortune: The Late King of Thailand Is Not an ‘Accidental American’
posted by larrybob at 3:01 PM on November 27 [3 favorites]


Will she have to relinquish her US citizenship, as the Australian who married into the Danish royal family had to her Australian citizenship?

I would say not because Harry is not any sort of heir apparent and also, circumstances are far different from when Phillip had to abandon his Greek and Danish citizenships. You kind of get less pull as a privy council to force that sort of thing when public opinion will mostly likely be "couldn't give a toss" and there's no chance of them becoming sovereign.
posted by Talez at 3:10 PM on November 27


ooo I missed this topic but yes I've spent all day oohing and aahing about this for no other reason than the fact that I adore Meghan Markle via Suits and this is amazing for her and the jokes and the historicalness are just great.
posted by numaner at 3:13 PM on November 27 [1 favorite]


I heard the story on the radio; I had no idea who Meghan Markle was but noticed they used a very American euphemism about her being both American and "new blood" and though "why are they talking about her like she's Black?" Sure enough, she's biracial but NPR couldn't get past talking in euphemisms.

Please tell me they didn't play Kool & the Gang's Fresh in the background. (??She's fresh! Exciting!??)
posted by fuse theorem at 3:15 PM on November 27




also TIL i learned what a fascinator is. and i had an exciting FB convo with a friend about whether or not Michelle Obama will wear one to the wedding. also, there's no evidence i can find that she has, but there is a fascinator sold by Morgan & Taylor called MICHELLE
posted by numaner at 3:26 PM on November 27 [1 favorite]


Funny you should mention that: US law specifically holds that "children of foreign sovereigns" are exempt from birthright citizenship even if born on U.S. soil.

What is this law, and is Prince Harry a "foreign sovereign"?
posted by zennie at 3:39 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


Too many quotable lines so I'll just leave this amusing piece here - Why Britain's most eligible bachelors are falling for spruce all-American charms.
posted by unliteral at 3:46 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


Trump will be able to explain it away due to "security concerns"...but it will still hurt....

And he’ll insult the couple in a series of tweets at 5 am on the morning of the wedding. The Firm won’t pay too much attention; they’re better used to dealing with mad kings than we are.

Before I knew that Markle was a POC, I thought that the most interesting thing about the marriage was that she was an American named Meghan. If you’re my age, which is roughly hers, you remember the Meganing of American girls. Couldn’t move for Meg(h)ans. I was almost one myself. And now they have arrived.
posted by Countess Elena at 3:49 PM on November 27 [7 favorites]


From unliteral’s link:

And then there's Gayden Metcalfe, a charming Southern belle

Goddamnit I know Gayden Metcalfe, she was at my debutante ball - I mean look it wasn’t my debutante ball okay there were dozens of other girls who - well. Anyway, I hadn’t heard that, and I’m surprised though not surprised to see her in this context, doing so well. Also please don’t hang me to a lamppost for revealing I was a debutante. There are plenty of other reasons.
posted by Countess Elena at 3:55 PM on November 27 [12 favorites]


Her house in Toronto is just around the corner from me but I've never seen her around the neighbourhood, or even any sign of life in the house. I guess it'll be up for sale soon.
posted by Flashman at 4:18 PM on November 27 [1 favorite]


Meanwhile, Daily Mail commenters are pig-biting mad.
posted by acb at 4:33 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


Her house in Toronto is just around the corner from me but I've never seen her around the neighbourhood, or even any sign of life in the house. I guess it'll be up for sale soon.
Me too! We're like 2 blocks away.
There was British tabloid press all over the neighbourhood last year when they found out he was seeing her. Just hanging around on the street. Totally weird.
posted by chococat at 5:17 PM on November 27 [1 favorite]


I hope I don't have to watch too many old white british dudes talk about this on CNN though. One of them this morning was talking about her being half black and... it was't good. He meant well but *cringe*.

For example, something about being half black like President Obama.... but she doesn't look as black as he does of course. Oh dear... no.
posted by Justinian at 5:21 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


"I'm not a fan of the Monarchy and yet I love the history behind their family. I mean I love watching The Crown and I'm excited for Season 2. And I love learning about things like the history behind a Royal wedding cake. Oh no, am I not-so-secretly a Monarchist?"

I always tell people that I love the Royal Family as only an American can: Enjoying all the history and pageantry in my native language! while feeling smug as shit that my taxes pay for no part of that circus and I'm a proper (small-r) republican who flung off those jerks and their aristocratic pretensions. It's the best, most guilt-free way to enjoy royalty! Even Canadians can't love it as much!

"Congratulations to a fellow Northwestern theater alum! Go Cats!"

Argh, I temporarily forgot how smug all the Northwestern alums are going to be!

(I kid, I kid.) (Mostly.) (I live too close to your campus to be entirely kidding.)

It was legit weird to hear American Hollywood PR-speak in a royal family interview. I'm not sure exactly what to say was different about it, but it's ... different.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:27 PM on November 27 [5 favorites]


Wait, she's not only divorced, she's also Catholic? That seems like kind of a Big Deal for someone in the line of succession...

Good for Harry. I'll watch the wedding broadcast.
posted by lovecrafty at 5:36 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


Caught the briefest glimpse of Newsnight's coverage before realising I was missing HIGNFY and switching channels. Found it mildly heartening that they presented differing opinions from three different women of colour, a Guardian journo and someone else in the studio plus an American journo on the big screen. Time was when we'd have had discussion between maybe Jennie Bond, Nickunctuous Witchell plus Darcus Howe, or perhaps a single this-is-what-mixed-race-people-think interviewee grabbed off the street.
posted by I'm always feeling, Blue at 5:39 PM on November 27 [1 favorite]


god, I'm sure she knows her own mind and knows better than anyone else what will make her happy, but I wish I were Markle's overbearing aunt or tactless old grandmother or someone like that, just somebody with the right to tell her she's wasting herself on him and could do so, so much better. as it is I am just me, so although I could still say it, it would be impertinent.
posted by queenofbithynia at 6:16 PM on November 27 [4 favorites]



So, how would a Southern US racist feel about the fact that the royals ultimately claim descent from Woden?


Through the Yingling dynasty, right?
They also claim descent from David.

A pity they can't finish the set and claim Matoaka.
posted by ocschwar at 6:32 PM on November 27


Shouldn't a Celebrity Big Brother thread be on fanfare?
posted by srboisvert at 6:48 PM on November 27 [6 favorites]


Wait, she's not only divorced, she's also Catholic? That seems like kind of a Big Deal for someone in the line of succession...
I read that too, but as far as I can tell she's not. Someone assumed she was Catholic because she went to a Catholic high school, but there doesn't seem to be any other indication that she is, and lots of non-Catholics go to Catholic high schools. But yeah, that would be a big deal. Historically, that would have been a bigger deal than any of the other big deal things about her.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:18 PM on November 27 [5 favorites]


Meanwhile, Daily Mail commenters are pig-biting mad.

Of course they are; it's Monday.
posted by MikeKD at 7:40 PM on November 27 [6 favorites]


god, I'm sure she knows her own mind and knows better than anyone else what will make her happy, but I wish I were Markle's overbearing aunt or tactless old grandmother or someone like that, just somebody with the right to tell her she's wasting herself on him and could do so, so much better.
I don't know her, and I don't know Prince Harry. But she's a grown woman, and there's nothing about her that suggests that she needs anyone's help to live her life. And has anyone ever called off their wedding because their tactless aunt told them to?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:41 PM on November 27 [12 favorites]


Of course they are; it's Monday a day that ends in "y".

FTFY.
posted by Talez at 7:52 PM on November 27 [6 favorites]


uhh i'm pretty sure her whole family is like YOU GO BECOME A PRINCESS GURL. also have you seeeeeen them, those are not "i'm marrying a prince, yay!" eyes. those are "omg i'm in love with this dude" eyes. and from a recent article he was all in the first time he met her.
posted by numaner at 8:00 PM on November 27 [7 favorites]


For example, something about being half black like President Obama.... but she doesn't look as black as he does of course. Oh dear... no.

I mean there's something at least honest about minutely judging the bloodlines and ancestry of a potential royal. It may be a bit vestigial these days but that's the foundation of the whole institution.
posted by traveler_ at 8:00 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


Normally i could give a shit about royal nonsense,

The site of one of the nominally serious Toronto dailies today ran a piece headlined: “The Royal Engagement: What We Know Right Now.”

I parted ways professionally with journalism a while back, but I really think that this subtitle belongs with commercial aviation crashes and active shooter situations, not a story which will be on the front pages of every supermarket tabloid for the next fifteen years.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 8:29 PM on November 27


inflatablekiwi: "Little early to call, but how much will it eat away at Trump if Obama and not Trump is invited to what - for better or worse - will likely be covered by the media in the US as the social event of 2018. Trump will be able to explain it away due to "security concerns"...but it will still hurt...."

Prince Harry says Donald Trump is not welcome at his wedding: ‘Trump is a serious threat to human rights’
posted by Chrysostom at 9:18 PM on November 27 [21 favorites]


Not that ginger one is it?
posted by Merlin The Happy Pig at 9:21 PM on November 27 [2 favorites]


[Couple deleted; let's not make this about the US president.]
posted by LobsterMitten at 10:51 PM on November 27 [5 favorites]


US law specifically holds that "children of foreign sovereigns" are exempt from birthright citizenship even if born on U.S. soil.

Meghan is an American citizen (at least for now) so does this rule apply? Neither of King Rama's parents were American.

I would love to see some mocha latte colored children in the Royal pix going forward.
posted by shoesietart at 11:21 PM on November 27


According to the October 2017 issue of Vanity Fair, she is not Catholic.
posted by elsietheeel at 11:22 PM on November 27


i can't seem to find this out, but do people that marry into the royal family have to adopt the Church of England as their religion?
posted by numaner at 12:08 AM on November 28


she is not Catholic

Dang, I was looking forward to a Catholic Restoration of England hidden inside of a British Repossession of America.

LONG GAMES ALL THE WAY DOWN, PEOPLE
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:26 AM on November 28 [15 favorites]


Meghan is an American citizen (at least for now) so does this rule apply? Neither of King Rama's parents were American.

As far as I can tell, anyone who meets the residency requirement and is a US citizen has children that are automatically citizens. Since she obviously meets the residency requirements, I don't think that there is any way their theoretical child can be denied citizenship.

As for being president, as Ted Cruz (sorry) proved, the requirement is that you be a natural born US citizen, not that you actually have to be born in the United States, so I think the baby will be technically capable of being the US president no matter what happens.
posted by Literaryhero at 12:31 AM on November 28


acb: [...] theoretically she could have produce a heir who could be both in line for the throne and eligible for the US Presidency. The House of Windsor may be playing the long game here.

This made me cackle with glee, though I fear it's highly unlikely to occur. Presidency requires a "natural born citizen", which seems to be relatively simple to achieve, given that this term isn't actually defined in the constitution. However, it also requires fourteen years of residency in the United States, which is possible, though unlikely. Any child of Harry and Meghan's will be the seventh in line to the throne (Charles, William, George, Charlotte, William's Unborn Third Child, Harry, Harry's Eventual Child), barring any ascensions to the throne or any other kids from William.

Given how Harry is the Heir's second-born child, I don't think Harry or any kids would be encouraged to not live in the United Kingdom anytime soon, assuming all goes well with the family.

Of course, if there's a separation or divorce in the future (though I hope not!), it becomes more feasible if Meghan were to get custody and bring the kids back to the US. That's probably the likeliest scenario I can think of for a child of Harry and Meghan's to gain the 14 years of residency. Or perhaps a future child would go to the United States for university and then stay there?

Having said that, it's possible to lose one's citizenship (if one is a dual citizen, is my understanding) if someone serves in the armed forces of a country which is engaged in hostilities against the United States or if they commit and act of treason against the US or attempt/conspire to overthrow the US Government. So if they are, indeed, playing the long game here, they'd better cover their tracks pretty swiftly or those kids will have their citizenship revoked as soon as they're born. ;)

For the record, the United Kingdom apparently has no issues with dual citizens. That said, Prince Philip renounced his Greek and Danish titles a few months before marrying (then) Princess Elizabeth in 1947. While technically I think he's still Greek (having been born there), I think it's telling that he had to formally renounce his titles before marriage to Elizabeth and getting his own British titles (Baron Greenwich, Earl of Merioneth and, most commonly used, Duke of Edinburgh) and I wonder if there wouldn't be some kind of question about Meghan's citizenship. (Though any renouncement of American citizenship is irrevocable.)
posted by juliebug at 12:58 AM on November 28


I, a Brit, have very little interest in the royal family, past a vague idea that my taxes could be spent on the NHS not on paying for all their stuff, but if a prince marrying a mixed-race American divorcee pisses off some Daily Mail and UKIP types, then I'm all for it.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 1:56 AM on November 28 [25 favorites]


The public statement Prince Harry made when they started dating was classy, and I'm glad he mentioned the crass racism in the media.

Congrats to both! I genuinely look forward to tons of pictures and crazy happiness-by-proxy by the British celebrity press. The world could sure use it.
posted by bluefly at 4:14 AM on November 28 [4 favorites]


...do people that marry into the Royal Family have to adopt the Church of England...

Not any more. The Succession to the Crown Act 2013, the Act that made the succession gender-neutral, also removed any restriction on marrying Catholics. The monarch still has to be in communion with the Anglican Church, as they are its theoretical Head, another matter long overdue for reform.

The Duchess of Kent, married to one of the Queen’s first cousins, converted to Catholicism in 1994, and I don’t think anyone was very bothered about it.
posted by Segundus at 4:23 AM on November 28 [3 favorites]


My personal view on all this is that I humbly salute the power of Lurve, wherever and however it may manifest itself.
posted by Segundus at 4:24 AM on November 28 [7 favorites]


Wait, I just read that 2016 Daily Mail article about Markle's family. It is so disgusting. Now, I'm doubly pulling for them. I hope her mother and aunts and loved ones all embark from their "detached" homes (you might think they live in the projects, but, surprise! they don't) in LA to the ultimate detached home that is Buckingham Palace and have a wonderful adventure!
posted by bluefly at 4:35 AM on November 28 [2 favorites]


I only have two things to add. First, I endorse the call for Meghan Markle to play herself on The Crown; and second, it looks like Harry and Meghan will be created the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, mainly because the other available titles are tainted by association with treason, Nazi ties, and other scandals.
posted by Cash4Lead at 5:58 AM on November 28 [7 favorites]


I, for one, welcome our new overdukes/overduchesses.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 6:03 AM on November 28 [6 favorites]


Congratulations to them both. They seem genuinely happy, and I wish them all the best.

But being a small-r republican and fundamentally opposed to the very institution of monarchy, I won't get too excited about all of this. In fact, I'm likely to get annoyed at the further entrenchment and celebration of hereditary aristocracy to the detriment of democracy and meritocracy and all that, especially if it gets in the way of my already-booked-and-paid-for May vacation plans for London. But I promise I won't get in the way of everyone else's good time. Unless it indeed gets in the way of my vacation, in which case I will have Words To Say.

But yes -- best wishes to Harry and Meghan.
posted by Capt. Renault at 6:44 AM on November 28 [2 favorites]


oh it goes without saying but everyone should watch suits. even if you hate lawyery stuff. it's good stuff.
posted by numaner at 9:10 AM on November 28 [1 favorite]


In our house we pretend that Mike (the protagonist in Suits) is her American boyfriend that she's in a relationship with behind the Prince's back with a secret identity.

So every time her character does something of questionable morality we tend to yell, "What would Harry think?!" And generally pretend that the actress and character are the same person when we can have some fun with it.
posted by VTX at 9:30 AM on November 28 [3 favorites]


So, the part of me who spent time in British boarding school is secretly snickering about the perfectly poised predatory Sloane Rangers who must be slugging back gin from the bottle tonight.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 10:59 AM on November 28 [1 favorite]


I heard the story on the radio; I had no idea who Meghan Markle was but noticed they used a very American euphemism about her being both American and "new blood" and though "why are they talking about her like she's Black?" Sure enough, she's biracial but NPR couldn't get past talking in euphemisms.

Perhaps you heard a different NPR story, or it was on a different network, but none of the three NPR stories I found used language like that and two explicitly mentioned her racial background.

Accomplished Actress And Humanitarian Meghan Markle To Marry Prince Harry

"Her mother, who is black, is a therapist and yoga instructor."

Prince Harry And Actor Meghan Markle To Marry In Spring


Who Is Meghan Markle? 6 Things To Know About The Princess-To-Be

"In late 2016, when their relationship hit the press, Markle — who is biracial — was subjected to intrusive, offensive media coverage and frequently racist reaction."
posted by Mr.Know-it-some at 11:08 AM on November 28 [1 favorite]


What is this law, and is Prince Harry a "foreign sovereign"?
...
Meghan is an American citizen (at least for now) so does this rule apply? Neither of King Rama's parents were American.


The law in question is U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1989): "The Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers...."

As to whether Harry is a foreign sovereign, I would assume so since he's 5th in line for the throne, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. On reflection, I think the more interesting question is that latter one, about whether Ms. Markel's American citizenship overrides this analysis altogether. The exception for foreign sovereigns (and, by extension, diplomats) does not seem to be applied in court very often and generally, yes, it is two foreign parents who are at issue. Of course US citizenship is also conveyed from parents to children, regardless of birth location. The Wong Kim Ark exception to jus soli does not necessarily imply an exception for children of U.S. citizens; it seems to me that different concerns would be at issue.

So, I don't know. I'm sure we'll get a nice long think piece on this topic if they ever have kids.
posted by Joey Buttafoucault at 12:28 PM on November 28


hi welcome to the meghan markle thread here she is as a Deal or No Deal briefcase model in the 2006-2007 season. (you can see other actresses that started out there on IMDB)
posted by numaner at 1:32 PM on November 28


So they've chosen the wedding venue - St. George's Chapel in Windsor Castle. Only holds 800. So there probably won't be any grand carriage parade through London like his brother (and father) had. Us spectacle-lovers may be a tad disappointed.
posted by dnash at 2:13 PM on November 28


If they want to avoid complications, she might give up her US citizenship before they have any kids.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 3:43 PM on November 28


Us spectacle-lovers may be a tad disappointed.

Meghan is her own spectacle and I'm already not disappointed
posted by numaner at 7:33 PM on November 28 [1 favorite]


Government will ‘no doubt’ waive immigration rules so Meghan Markle can come to UK to marry Prince Harry.

After so many families divided over the last 5 years, this is absolutely sickening and an insult to everyone who has to go through these genuinely evil rules.
posted by plep at 4:19 AM on November 29 [6 favorites]


Sadly it looks like the magic money tree will get another shake down early next year.
posted by mr_silver at 5:51 AM on November 29 [2 favorites]


Meghan Markle's U.S. citizenship could cause tax headaches for British royal family -- argues that the requirement for US citizens to report worldwide income, combined with the fact that she's likely to have more than US$300K in assets so she'll have to file a Form 8938 (AKA "Statement of Specified Foreign Financial Assets"), means that Markle is likely to give up her US citizenship
posted by andrewesque at 9:00 AM on November 29


i mean? why wouldn't she? what good can it possibly do her? i'd give mine up for a bag of walker's roast chicken.
posted by poffin boffin at 10:24 AM on November 29 [2 favorites]


Back in, I want to say 1999? Before the fancy-dress Nazi costume debacle, maybe, I read an article in Vanity Fair about Harry and William, and there was lots of tea about Harry's smoking, drinking, partying, and "emerging from the back garden" at various high-end social affairs with various young, high-born ladies.

The picture I remembered from the article was that of teenaged, widely smiling Harry at Eton in his dorm room sitting at his desk, facing the camera. Over that desk was a gigantic poster of Halle Berry in a tiny bikini, and there were no other posters of women on the walls. Heh.

I wish Meghan and Harry every happiness that a person who doesn't know them can muster.
posted by droplet at 12:37 PM on November 29


Being a US citizen overseas is indeed a mess when it comes to taxes and finances (even things as simple as opening a bank account, which many foreign banks don't want to do for US citizens).

As a British royal, she won't exactly have any problems with her citizenship/passport if she gives up US citizenship (I suspect they have no trouble visiting the US, or indeed anyplace she can visit as a private US citizen now).

I'd certainly give mine up in that situation (I mean, I see a path where I would give it up in my own life, and thats a lot less clear-cut than her situation).
posted by thefoxgod at 1:57 PM on November 29


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